Sinch Army

Nirvana kinda suck. and in terms of lyrics - a 10 year old could write better lyrics than kurt.

Damn. Mark is a cold mother-shut yo' mouth!

I like a lot of songwriters. I don't know who I'd say is the best one of those. I'll think about it. I do know that Kurt Cobain wouldn't be on my list. Sorry, dude.

"MARK!":

Nirvana kinda suck. and in terms of lyrics - a 10 year old could write better lyrics than kurt.

It's no wonder why I hurt you in the Hurt/Heal game... Save for Sinch, you seem to have the musical taste of a paralyzed, greased up, deaf guy.

I'm not a big Nirvana fan either. I used to be back in the day, but their music isn't really my thing anymore. I don't think they're terrible, but I don't know why so many people think they're so mind blowing when they weren't even the most talented band of their era.

Ditto on what RC said. I wouldn't go as far as to question Kurt's lyric writing skills though, I thought they were Oh-Kay... but seriously apart from Smells Like Teen Spirit being a great grunge anthem and O.K. I'll confess to absolutely LOVING Lithium (no, that doesn't mean what it seems to sound like, but I listen to death-metal so guess you'll never know now will you? ) I never really got all the hype that went with the band, to me they've always been like meh, they popularized a dying genre alongside equally talented bands like Soundgarden, so what was with the cult following? I guess I'll never really understand, since grunge and Nirvana were never really my thing...

"Nevermuse":

[quote="MARK!"]Nirvana kinda suck. and in terms of lyrics - a 10 year old could write better lyrics than kurt.

It's no wonder why I hurt you in the Hurt/Heal game... Save for Sinch, you seem to have the musical taste of a paralyzed, greased up, deaf guy.
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I should so turn into CD right now. We need him back

"RCSoul":

I'm not a big Nirvana fan either. I used to be back in the day, but their music isn't really my thing anymore. I don't think they're terrible, but I don't know why so many people think they're so mind blowing when they weren't even the most talented band of their era.

I did like them. when i was in primary school. Most people i know who like what i consider good music did like them at one point.

I guess i consider them some sort of stepping stone. They are an introduction to alternative music, very simple - not much to it whatsoever. Very repetitive - catchy. great for someone who isn't farmiliar with hard rock.

However - theres nothing really beyond that. Sure - Dave Grohl is a pretty talented drummer. and he's worked on some decent things since. but Kurt really was little more than a filthy heroin addict. if he didn't shoot himself, they wouldn't be regarded anywhere near as high as they are.

Pretty much from what i see over here, the only people who still like him are very image influenced goth girls, who sleep with a poster of him above their bed and are just as filthy as he is.

they do have a couple of decent songs, but so much of it is so trashy.

Did Jamie hijack RC's account??

I've never really givin' Nirvana a chance, I like some of the songs kickin' it on the radio - Heart Shaped Box, Something In The Way, Come As You Are, In Bloom... I like You Know You're Right too.

I save my time for better grungers - Soundgarden, Alice in MF Chains, STP etc

Since it might be a while before Jamie responds to this, I'll answer for him.

His #1 influence is Bobby McFerrin. This is total speculation, of course, but I think I'm pretty much right on the money. I mean, isn't it obvious?

Oh and his #2 influence is Robert Goulet.

"dan":

His #1 influence is Bobby McFerrin.

You guys should cover Don't Worry, Be Happy. But, you'd have to do it Bobby McFerrin-like with no instruments and all vocals.

This thread turned into a Nirvana bashing thread pretty quickly. Only Dan has answered Reznik's question.

I've been thinking about it and I think that Jeff Buckley and Trent Reznor would be in my top 5. I'm not sure where though. I'm also a little confused as to what defines a songwriter. Should I just list people that write songs or do they have to sing, too? That would decide whether or not I'd put Jean Baudin and Victor Wooten in there or not.

Sure - Dave Grohl is a pretty talented drummer. and he's worked on some decent things since.

Calling Dave Grohl a "pretty talented drummer" is a slight understatment dont you think?he's an excellent drummer and an all round great musician,he can play any bloody instrument!
what is with the Kurt hating on here,looks like I started somfin.I still listen to nirvana today and they sound just as good as they did 14/15 years ago.everyone is entitled to there own opinion I suppose but just cos you didnt "like" Nirvana or kurt cobain doesnt mean you should have a go at his writing skills and all that Nirvana acheived.I'm a big Nirvana fan so obviously Im biased in what I say but I think Kurt Cobain had serious talent.
On a differant note the lyrics to Sinch "something more" are unbelievable,The song just really captured how I was feeling at the time when I first heard it (dont wana be getting to deep here)but its just a really great song.

I wonder where Jamie stands on the 'how good a songwriter was Kurt' debate?

Personally, Nirvana were the band that got me into rock music in the first place, so without them I wouldn't be here loving the ol' Sinch as much as I do, or any other band for that matter, so I've got a lot to thank them for. Saying that, I do still enjoy listening to Nirvana now, but not really that often. It's been a long time since I lifted a Nirvana CD off the shelf and listened to it. By comparison, I'm listening to both Sinch albums at least once a week.

Totally agree with Reznik on the 'Something More' front though. I heard the song only once on TV and was hooked. The lyrics are grand indeed and along with the rest of the self titled album helped to influence a lot of my thoughts around the time it was out. I'm currently in love with 'All That's Left Behind'. Fookin' ace.

Speaking as a major biased Nirvana fan, I feel I have to at least address something. First off, when Smells Like Teen Spirit came out I absolutely hated Nirvana. I couldn't stand that the song was everywhere and everyone was singing it. It was repetitive and loud and I was an idiot for not giving into the craze sooner than I did.

Secondly, Nirvana is so much deeper than the content of Nevermind, which was brilliant at its time and still is. Hearing unreleased tracks and bunching them in with everything Nirvana has done shows how really deep Kurt was musically. From short poppy melodies like In Bloom to dark entrancing dirges like Dumb and Something in the Way, he expressed a completely different musical form from the norm at the time. Discordant screeching guitar matching his equally screeching voice at times, but then switching to a raspy, smoke tarnished wail. He had a distinct style which sets them apart from anything you would hear nowadays and even back then.

Thirdly, his lyrics carried many ironies and conundrums which just kinda made you think. Often they were seemingly nonsensical babblings, but sometimes they just seemed to make sense for some odd reason.

As stated before, people can like what they want and hate what they want, but you really can't discredit phenomena like Nirvana and others. I feel like doing the same with performers like Bob Dylan and Van Halen, as I don't like care for them at all, but I can't deny the fact that they (somehow) are successful for their contribution to the music industry.

In all seriousness and with no disrespect intended, what contribution do you think Nirvana has given to the music industry outside of selling a lot of records?

The only positive contribution that I can find is that they allowed a lot of similar, more talented bands to come into the forefront like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. I don't think their influence on music is much of a positive. Most bands that I've heard that name Nirvana as one of their influences just plain suck. I'm having a hard time think of any actually.

Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, STP, Alice in Chains and the others like them got us past the era of late 80's early 90's generic pop and dance music. They had a hard sound, catchy songs, and the ever imitated "rebel flannel wearing guy" look. They weren't "metal" by early 90's standards, and they weren't pop music. So they, in effect, gave birth to the new wave of mainstream rock.

I really can't say Nirvana did this single handedly, or even first. But they were one of the loudest and most renown.

"RCSoul":

In all seriousness and with no disrespect intended, what contribution do you think Nirvana has given to the music industry outside of selling a lot of records?

The only positive contribution that I can find is that they allowed a lot of similar, more talented bands to come into the forefront like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. I don't think their influence on music is much of a positive. Most bands that I've heard that name Nirvana as one of their influences just plain suck. I'm having a hard time think of any actually.

You pretty much have said what i wanted to in a much better way than i did. thats why you're number 1

I think their biggest contribution is breaking through, and thus allowing the other more talented bands on the scene get more notice than they would have otherwise. but on the contrary, these bands had to live in nirvana's shadow despite being a lot better. And its not like nirvana influenced these bands since most of them had albums out before nirvana.
Unfortunately they paved the way for terrible bands such as the vines.

"Nevermuse":

Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, STP, Alice in Chains and the others like them got us past the era of late 80's early 90's generic pop and dance music. They had a hard sound, catchy songs, and the ever imitated "rebel flannel wearing guy" look. They weren't "metal" by early 90's standards, and they weren't pop music. So they, in effect, gave birth to the new wave of mainstream rock.

I really can't say Nirvana did this single handedly, or even first. But they were one of the loudest and most renown.

didn't sonic youth start grunge back in 1980? i'm probably ery wrong on the matter since i can't stand the band and wasn't born yet.

Jamie can't respond right now because he has prior commitments...

ha,ha,what a picture!jamie's too busy to reply as he's doing the pretend sex dance eh!
anyway back to the debate here,thank god Nevermuse is here to back me up!I think alot of people didnt like nirvana because of what Kurt was and they've based there opinions of nirvana on him rather than rating the music and just seperating the music from the person.It was down to Nirvana that I now listen to the type of music I do and I feel its the same for a lot of people around my age,I could go one better and say that if it wasnt for Nirvana alot of bands around today mightn't even exsist,they open they gateway and if for no other reason people should respect them for that.
As for people (not on this board,just people in general)saying Nirvana "sold out" after Bleach,thats total bullshit,it annoy's me when I heard people or read reviews about bands and people say they've "sold out".what is the aim of been in a band?for a lot of bands its not about the money (admittedly it helps) but its about getting your music out to the widest audience you can and only a major label can do that,there sound did'nt change much at all,if you put Bleach and nevermind together it sounds like one big album,only In Utero sounded differant...ok Im kind of ranting here so Im going to stop now!
I think the fact that people are STILL going onto amazon to review Nevermind (the last review was september 8th 2006) is testement to how great a band Nirvana really were..
but anyway Im getting away from the point here,this tread is about sonwriters and listening to Nirvana's music now I feel like ive a much better understanding into what Kurt was saying in his songs,there just great lyrics,deep,emotional and about life while in others he really just took the piss and even now its great to listen back to them...

"MARK!":

[quote="Nevermuse"]
I really can't say Nirvana did this single handedly, or even first. But they were one of the loudest and most renown.

didn't sonic youth start grunge back in 1980? i'm probably ery wrong on the matter since i can't stand the band and wasn't born yet.[/quote]

They very well may have invented "grunge" but if no one knows about it but the underground movement that followed Sonic Youth *which may be a little off on judging their fanbase* "grunge" didn't truly exist yet.

"Reznik":

I could go one better and say that if it wasnt for Nirvana alot of bands around today mightn't even exist, they open they gateway and if for no other reason people should respect them for that.

Why should I respect them for influencing a bunch of shitty bands? Like I said before though, if you can think of any good ones that are majorly influenced by Nirvana, let me know. Just because I can't think of them or find them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

Here's a couple that I found:

Puddle of Mudd
Chevelle

Not looking good there, man. Not looking good at all. Puddle of Mudd are . . . well . . . they're Puddle of Mudd, man. And I could make better music slapping my dick against guitar strings than what Chevelle has put out.

Look RCSoul its clear you dont like Nirvana,thats fine but theres no denying what they acheived.I actually like Chevelle,there a good band!another think we disagree on eh!each to there own I guess...although I agree Puddle of Mudd are crap.....oh and Mike from Sinch has Nirvana and the bassist krist Novoselic down as influence's...jamie has dave grohl down and dan has nirvana and dave grohl down as influences.think you might agree that Sinch are a good band influenced by Nirvana and its members?

who ever said sinch were a good band?

"Reznik":

Look RCSoul its clear you dont like Nirvana

I don't not like Nirvana. I just don't think they're great. I think they're alright. Like I said, I do greatly appreciate that they enabled me to discover bands like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam by pushing that kind of music into the mainstream. Nirvana's music isn't painful for me to hear or anything.

Chevelle on the other hand is absolutely terrible and is painful for me to hear. Two chords songs with whiny vocals don't impress me. Chevelle is the worst thing to ever happen to music in my mind. I could replace either member except the drummer right now and I'm a terrible guitarist and even worse bassist. Given enough time, I think monkeys could play their songs. I actually lobbied for a monkey to replace the brother they kicked out on a thread on the old board. At least then they'd have a gimmick along with a reason to be talentless.

And yes, I'm aware Sinch is cool with Chevelle and toured with them and that Jamie is a fan. That doesn't make them suck any less.

"RCSoul":

Chevelle on the other hand is absolutely terrible and is painful for me to hear. Two chords songs with whiny vocals don't impress me. Chevelle is the worst thing to ever happen to music in my mind. I could replace either member except the drummer right now and I'm a terrible guitarist and even worse bassist. Given enough time, I think monkeys could play their songs. I actually lobbied for a monkey to replace the brother they kicked out on a thread on the old board. At least then they'd have a gimmick along with a reason to be talentless.

Lolz, Reznik don't pay any attention to RC on this one, since he's unfairly biased against Chevelle. I for the love of me never quite understood what Rob had against Chevelle and probably never will but I think it has something to do with Rob being turned down at a concert by Pete Loeffler when he offered to give Pete a lil' head... but I could be mistaken, he might have just proposed a wrap around butt grab. And RC likes Sevendust. 'Nuff said.

Chevelle in my opinion are a really great band and one of my favourites, right up there alongside Sinch in my book (Their sounds are similar too in some aspects, which would explain why I like them so much). Ironically I also believe Pete has an amazing vocal range (And is by no means in any way "whiny") and is one of the main reasons for me liking the band. So Reznik at least you don't stand alone on this one eh?

Fun facts: Sinch is not RC's favourite band. RC is bisexual. Leaning towards men.

Ummm... RC, seriously, how many if not which of Chevelle's albums did you listen to? I'm just curious.

As for my take on this thread - Jamie Stem is to me the best song writer I've come across. I use the line "shit I wish I wrote that,them lyrics are amazing!" all the time when listening to Sinch CD's. Although that photo of him is kinda' killin' my argument here... but I stand firm. Jamie rocks!

Hot on his heels would be James Maynard Keenan. The main reason I like Jamie's lyrics better is cuz they're more accessible, to me at least. But James' lyrics kinda kick you in the butt and make you stand up and take notice sometimes (Thats when you actually understand half the "zen" sounding shiznit he spews out most of the time). So yeah.

"RaZoR":

Chevelle on the other hand is absolutely terrible and is painful for me to hear. Two chords songs with whiny vocals don't impress me. Chevelle is the worst thing to ever happen to music in my mind.

While I mostly agree with this, in bold I highlighted what I don't agree with. I think Godsmack is FAR worse on the "blech" scale. A. Alice in Chains ripoff (horrible one at that) B. Every song is the same C. Sully = Sucky.

"RaZoR":

Ummm... RC, seriously, how many if not which of Chevelle's albums did you listen to? I'm just curious.

Point #1 and Wonder What's Next. I downloaded Point #1 in early 2001 when Jamie listed it as something he was listening to and though I wanted to like it, I didn't. Months later Wonder What's Next leaked and I thought I would give them another chance and see how they evolved. Turned out they devolved. I listened to the album three times. It is still one of the worst things I've ever heard. Definately top 5 worst. I heard a single off of This Type of Thinking. Definately top 5 Worst Song Ever material.

I think Sevendust is a perfect example of that a band does not have to be uber talented for me to dig them. I'll never argue for Sevendust being great musicians becaues I know they aren't. I just like the sound they make.

Kind of like how no one can argue for Chevelle being more talented than any band ever.

Godsmack does indeed suck and rips off AIC constantly, but you'd never hear Chevelle being accused of ripping off AIC. That would infer that they actually know how to play instruments well enough to imitate AIC, which they don't.

Fun TRUE Facts: Rob loves Sinch and really doesn't really have a favorite band, just favorite bands of the moment. RaZor doesn't know much about RC, especially his real life sexual preferences. RaZor likes shitty music like Chevelle.

Chevelle lyrics/vocals to every song:

"Chevelle":

I'm sad. This is sad. So sad.
I'M MAD! MAD ABOUT BEING SAD! WAAAAAAAA!

I think Jamie is an excellent lyricist and vocalist, but he doesn't write the songs. Sinch writes the songs. And Sinch is by no means his backup band.

I'd say that Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers is a damn good writer. I think the Chili Peppers are among some of the best out there, so he'd be in my top 5. I also think Maynard James Keenan is great. I agree w/ pretty much everything RC said. Godsmacck sucks. They are aabsolutely terrible. They have maybe one or two songs that are tolerable at best. Chevelle gets old real fast. Them and Linkin Park and Three Days Grace piss me off when they bitch about this and that. It gets annoying. Sinch has great music as well (anyone who doesnt like them really shouldnt be in the forum).
I think Carl Bell is a pretty decent song writer, but again, there's a lot of bands that I like. Top five writers, i'm not sure because the whole band usually has collective influence. But if I had to make a top 5 for my favorite bands based on their sound and quality of lyrics, mine would be (not necessarily in this order):

1. Red Hot Chili Peppers

2. Sinch

3. Tool/ A Perfect Circle

4. Dave Matthews (don't ask...)

5. Pink Floyd

some bands i find worse than chevelle:
hoobastank
nickelback
white stripes
Ben Leee (You may be fortunate enough not to have heard this pretentious cunt)



i like sevendust. they could be labelled as nu metal by some - but at least they've got a vocalist who knows how to sing. they may not necessarily be that talented, but they are decent enough at writing songs that they shit on all the bands thet are generally mentioned along with.

"elvato87":

4. Dave Matthews (don't ask...)

Why shy away? Isn't it obious? I love his lyrics... He deserves to be in everyones top 5...

"RCSoul":

I think Jamie is an excellent lyricist and vocalist, but he doesn't write the songs. Sinch writes the songs. And Sinch is by no means his backup band.

If that's the case, then I apologize to all the members of Sinch for being a douchebag I never thought of you guys as a backup band I just really, like, connect with your songs...

P.S> Mark always sucked up too much to RC for me to really take anything he says seriously... You lil' fag

"RaZoR":

P.S> Mark always sucked up too much to RC for me to really take anything he says seriously... You lil' fag

Don't be talkin' about my boy like that. I'll smack you in yo' mouth, son.

Mark just agrees with me because what I say makes sense.

I've got mixed feelings about Chevelle.

I absolutely love Wonder What's Next. I think This Type of Thinking blah blah blah was a far worse record. I'm not terribly impressed by Point #1.

Chevelle have VERY little talent instrumentally. Two chord, two riff songs sum them up perfectly. HOWEVER I think they sound alright even with their very limited technical talent. I enjoy the vocals, lyrics, and simplicity of their songs (on Wonder What's Next), and I think that they are easy to bob your head or tap your foot to. They have never and probably will never amaze me, but I do like them. If their next album is another This Type of blahblahblah type album though I'll probably get sick of them.

"MARK!":

White Stripes

Meg White is the second worst drummer ever! I'm the worst. I can almost play her drum beats without fucking up.

"tsnuf":

I absolutely love Wonder What's Next.

The correct next sentence is: "I think I might be going deaf."

I think the problem with me is that I don't know to play guitar and so I wouldn't know if Chevelle played 2 chords on all their songs, but it doesn't really matter 'cause I still found alot of songs on Wonder What's Next catchy.... And as to where I stand on the albums, I feel exactly the same way as tsnuf about their other 2 albums. I still judge them by the WWN record, cuz it's the 1st album of theirs I listened to and I just... liked it.

P.S> I've noticed we've been hearing alot about Rob's musical skills of late. Maybe he's trying to hint something

The coors lite commercial band! I forgot!

"I love burritos at 4 am. Parties that never end..."

Great stuff.

I like Chevelle. Closure, An Evening With El Diablo and Comfortable Liar and wicked songs. Their music is completely generic, but for some reason it works.

"Satan McBacon":

I like Chevelle. Closure, An Evening With El Diablo and Comfortable Liar and wicked songs. Their music is completely generic, but for some reason it works.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Thank you Satan.

P.S> I love replying to your posts 'cuz they let me say cool lines that I'd otherwise never get to say. "Thank you Satan". Lolz, I crack myself up.

"RaZoR":

I've noticed we've been hearing alot about Rob's musical skills of late. Maybe he's trying to hint something

If you've inferred that I suck at playing any instrument, then you're picking up what I'm laying down.

i know this is a terribly late post and has gotten off topic at this point, but i think one of the only reasons nirvana became what people consider them to be is because kurt cobain died. if he lived, they may have went down hill, but you can't knock them for going out "on top".

you know what i hate nirvana with a passion......

......and the only good thing to come out of nirvana was dave grohl.

so thank god he died otherwise we might never have had the foo fighters. and dave's other such antics.

"Forgotten Dream":

so thank god he died

Ouch. Harsh, dude.

"Satan McBacon":

I like Chevelle.

I missed this before. Awwww, man. First Soilwork and now Chevelle. You're hopeless.

"RCSoul":

First Soilwork and now Chevelle.

*gasp* If you were standing here right now I'd slap you with a glove

"RaZoR":

*gasp* If you were standing here right now I'd slap you with a glove

I'd slap you on the forehead with my cock before you had the chance . . . and you'd like it.

It's a 2 way street u lil' fag

"RaZoR":

It's a 2 way street u lil' fag

Since when is slapping people with your dick gay?

As mentioned on the old board, it's only gay if it goes all the way in.

Or if balls touch.

Wait a min, isn't your penis a myth? What r we arguing about again? BONG.

"RCSoul":

[quote="Forgotten Dream"]so thank god he died

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Ouch. Harsh, dude.


ok so that probably was a little harsh........but hey.....